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| Minutes for the Church Council Meeting
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| On: Wednesday 14th December at 20h00
| At: St Marc's Church Centre
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| Present:
| Stephen Coffin, Alan Golton, David Bailey, Alison Coulavin, Valerie Golton, Joseph Agu, Marie Colbert, Claire Naylor, Richard Sheppard, John Stinton, Dan Wilhelm
| | Absent:
| NC
| | Excused:
| Frank Jenkins, Elisabeth Cherhal, Stuart Wilkins, Mark Lewis
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Minutes:
| | 83.
| Prayer, Apologies (please inform Chaplain or Secretary)
Apologies from Elizabeth in UK with mother who is not well, Mark on a spiritual retreat, Frank in USA and Stuart on an experiment. Stephen asked us to remember in prayer Elizabeth with her mother, Greg Johnson who is out of surgery and James Colbert who is going into surgery tomorrow.
| | 84.
| Approval of last meeting's minutes
The minutes were reviewed and changes recommended to Item 76 Committee Reports on Children Works and Item 77 Daniel Cozens and church away weekend and Item 81 on comments from contacts. The amendments to the minutes were made and the minutes approved as amended,
| | 85.
| Any matter arising from these (& not otherwise on the agenda)
- Item #74- Letter from Grenoble council of churches about asylum seekers Stephen went back to the board with our council’s comments on the letter. They now are having two people talk to the asylum seekers group to find out what is more useful to be saying in the letter.
- Item #75- Christmas present for prisoners or others Christmas presents collected will be given to L’Echoppe. They will be given out at the party at L’Echoppe to those who come.
- Item #76 Committee Reports on Children’s work Richard asked about the acquisition of the walkie-talkies and table and chairs. Stephen explained that the Sunday School teachers asked for them. The walkie-talkies were given to the Sunday School and the tables and chairs were purchased. Richard questioned how the purchase was made without going through council. Dan asked whether we should not trust the Sunday School leadership to make the decision on its needs without going through council. Alan asked how we can speed up the decision process and whether everything should go through council. It was stated that this is a question of principle. Richard stated that he must be able to plan on the expenditures for cash flow purposes. Stephen stated that in the past we have not had an authorization process as we did not have budgets by committees e.g. the Sunday School did not have a budget. Richard stated that up to now all expenditures have gone through council. Stephen stated that the tables and chairs had cost 120 euros and he had paid for it.
- Item #81 Any other matters-There was a discussion of how to improve the appearance of the church and Dan clarified that his contact’s comments were more specifically about the drapery which was very old. Claire also suggested that the entrance was a bit scruffy and maybe we could do something about that including perhaps get some of the clutter out.
| | 86.
| Treasurer's report and proposed budget for 2006
Richard reviewed the collection trend. Expenses run about 5 thousand euros a month and currently, collections are not covering expenses. It was stated that the church body needs to be educated on this. Stephen and Richard led a discussion of the budget that was sent out. The budget line items were reviewed. There was a wide ranging discussion on the budget and the process and many comments including the following were made:
- The building fund needs to be moved to a separate line item for fundraising purposes.
- The Away Weekend with Daniel Cozens was reviewed. Alan stated that he had suggested that Daniel Cozens could come just with a CD of his pictures, which would keep the cost lower, but Daniel felt this was ineffective. Alan said the cost ranged from a minimum 600 euros to 1000 euros.
- There was much discussion on how to present line items such as the away weekend and social committee as they were typically almost self funding. In the budget under review, they were shown at their gross cost without the associated funds that were raised with the various events.
- One person stated that special appeals usually siphon off from normal activity. Another council member stated that was not the case in their situation.
- It was agreed to increase the evangelism budget to 750 euros.
- As the youth ministry had requested funds for equipment, it was noted that the budget did not include the necessary funds. It was agreed to include the refurbishment of the Red Room in the budget.
Dan asked what we would do if we have more funds come in than we have budgeted expenses. It was decided that we would prayerfully consider what we do when the situation arises.
- There was much discussion on how the budget should be presented to the church body and how best to make people aware of the need to support the church. The discussion included presenting an order of priority of expenses so if funds were not raised during the year what would be have to be cut. The concern was that the church body must understand that they are responsible for funding the church and without that, certain ministries could not happen. Also there is a high level of fixed expenses that must be covered each month. Joseph commented on the importance of this being well presented to the church body. Marie suggested separating the church running cost from the various ministry costs. Val suggested that Dan be involved in presenting the budget to the church body. After much discussion, the budget as modified was approved by the council. The Council thanked Richard and the committee for all the work done on it. At the next council meeting, how the budget will be presented to the church body will be discussed.
At this point, Marie had to leave and Stephen offered prayer for Jim Colbert’s surgery the next day. The keeping of the minutes passed to Stephen.
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| Any other committee reports: none
| | 88.
| "40 days of purpose" proposed Lent course
Some Council members had expressed reservations since the last meeting about use of this course. Stephen agreed that there were essential elements of the Christian gospel missing from the course, especially a failure to stress the need for repentance as a condition of becoming a Christian. He proposes to remedy this in the discussion notes for home meetings and in the Sunday sermons which will accompany course. It was agreed that the course would go ahead beginning on 5th March. Existing home groups will be offered the option of joining in, and others will be set up.
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| Review of the lists of contacts we have for keeping in touch with members
Due to lack of time this item was deferred.
| | 90.
| Past & Future dates (incl. youth & children's events)
Due to lack of time this item was deferred.
| | 91.
| Finding out what's involved in employing anyone to work for our Church
it was agreed that more information should be sought on this. The Treasurer reminded us that typically it costs 75% extra in social charges, etc. Above the salary offered to someone. He said we also need to be cautious in dealings with the authorities, as employing someone else may lead to further charges relating to the employment of the Chaplain.
The Chaplain should investigate further.
| | 92.
| Any other matters
Sarah Paul had written to the Council to ask if we could hold a monthly collection of food for l’Echoppe at Family Services. This could supplement their other sources of food, in a similar way to the November annual collection. The Council unanimously accepted this proposal.
The Diocese requires that all permission to help with the distribution of Holy Communion be renewed this coming January. The Council agreed that (in addition to Stephen & Alan) permission should be sought as helpers for Joseph Agu, David Bailey, Keith Baldock, Marie Colbert, Marian Coffin, Alison Coulavin, Val Golton, Mark Lewis, Dan Wilhelm.
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| Closing Prayer
The meeting closed with a prayer.
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