Minutes of the Church Council Meeting

 

On: Wednesday 09 June 2004

At: The Chaplain’s Apartment

 

 

Present:

Stephen Coffin (Chaplain), David Bailey (Churchwarden), Richard Sheppard (Treasurer), Alison Coulavin (Synod Rep.), Valerie Golton (Synod Rep), Alan Golton, Claire Naylor, Segun Odunlade, Elisabeth Cherhal, Craig Alciati, Mark Lewis (Secretary).

 

Absent:

none

Excused:

Troy Simoni, Lara Confort (Churchwarden)

 

Agenda:

 

29.

Prayer & apologies (please notify Chaplain)

30.

Approval of minutes of last meeting and any matters arising

     - Aims goals and direction (alternative wording to “…some find boring”)

     - Vote count for item 18 in question -  end of the matter (Proposed by secretary)

31.

Treasurer's report

32.

Committee reports

     32a - Finance committee’s Report (follow on from item 17a)

              discussion & approval of paragraph 1 & 2f

33.

Discussion on 2SWG Feedback (2nd Service Work Group)

See details in attached document second_service_proposal.rtf”.

Please say if you cannot open it.

(follow on from items 4a, 21)

34.

Defining a Procedure for reaching decisions on major investments

(follow on from postponed item 19)

35.

Discussion of format & content of the church magazine, “St Marc's Matters”.

(follow on from postponed item 22)

36.

Regularity of the Family meal – maybe only once every 2 months?

37.

www.grenoble-info.org

38.

Review of past & future events

     38a - Church Away Weekend evaluation and assessment

     (follow on from postponed item 25a)

39.

Church project(s) – nothing up for discussion

40.

Church Committees (Evangelism; Events; Music; Social/catering; Building; Finance)

Would you please volunteer for the committee you would prefer to join or create?

(follow on from item 7 & postponed item 20)

41.

Any other matters

     41a - Lyon Church Proposition (first put forward as item 27a)

     41b - Procedure - Publication of Church Council Minutes

42.

Closing Prayer

(Time as needed. - Standing Item)

 

Meeting:

 

30.

Approval of minutes of last meeting and any matters arising

 

   Concerning the minutes of the Council meeting held on the 12 May 2004. Council confirmed that the vote count for the amendment to the substantial motion of item 18 should read “(4 votes for, 5 votes against, 2 abstentions)”, and therefore that the amendment had been rejected by the Council.

     It was also felt that in item 15 the paragraph “We talked briefly about the Ecumenical meetings that the Bishop Geoffrey has encouraged us to attend in order to interact with the French. Some find these Ecumenical meetings outright boring.” should be rephrased to read “It was suggested that our French contacts could also be invited to ecumenical services as Bishop Geoffrey encourages us to do in order to interact with the French. Some objected that they themselves found such occasions pretty boring and therefore would not tend to invite their friends to them”.

     Alain Golton who was indeed present at the last meeting was added to the list of Council members present.

     The Council then approved unanimously the minutes of the last meeting.

 

    One matter arising: A few months ago, council gave a subsidy to a youth weekend, and also expressed a willingness to offer further subsidy.   I would like this to go to the friends' weekend we have just had, and for council to decide the amount at the next meeting. (proposed by Claire) This matter is reported under the item Any Other Matters (item 41) of the present minutes.

 

31.

Treasurer's report

     The treasurer assured the Council that there was enough money to honour our debts. The council also heard that the church shall need to reduce its expenses for the summer months. The summertime holiday period is known to lead to some financial misbalance within the church accounts.

     A motion to “remind church members to honour their financial engagements towards the church during the summer months” was proposed, seconded and accepted by the council (9 votes for, 0 votes against, 0 abstentions).

 

32.

Committee reports

     32a - Finance Committee’s Report (follow on from item 17a)

          The Council reconsidered paragraph 1 and paragraph 2f of the Financial report, having already

     worked on paragraph 2a-e at the last meeting.

          After discussion the Chaplain proposed an amendment for paragraph 1 of the Financial Committee’s

     Report, reading: “The Chaplain in consultation with the Treasurer and Wardens be authorised to

     agreed spending of up to € 300 between Council meetings.” The Council accepted the amendment

     (11 votes for, 0 votes against, 0 abstentions).

          Concerning paragraph 2f the Council debated around the implications of  …and recommend not

     supporting as a Church, individuals”. An amendment was proposed, suggesting the phrase should

     read “…and recommend not supporting as a Church, individuals who are not members of St Marc’s

     Church”. The Council voted and accepted the amendment (11 votes for, 0 votes against, 0 abstentions).

          The Council heard suggestions as to which bona fide organisations could profit from the € 2500.

     3 such organisations were brought forward.

-          Compassion”- an evangelical Christian child development ministry dedicated to addressing the needs of children around the world (www.compassionuk.org)– donation of €100/month totalling €1200/year towards general expenditure. It was thought that the Church should not directly offer to sponsor children, as the children may lose out on the human side of the relationship. Information about this should be made available to individual Church members who could then accept to sponsor individual children and build long term relationship with them.  (10 votes for, 0 votes against, 1 abstention).

-          John Lenton College” – a sum yet to be defined (John Lenton is to be approached about this by the treasurer)

-          Champfleuri” – once off donation of €500 (9 votes for, 0 votes against, 2 abstentions). This is a donation similar to the one made last year. It was felt the Church should support this mission in a more direct way than through “Away Weekend” contributions.

 

     32b - No other committee reports.

 

33.

Discussion on 2SWG Feedback (2nd Service Work Group)

     Discussion for this item is based on 3 documents:

- second_service_proposal.rtf sent by email to all Council members

- a handout by the Chaplain (a double sided document with two grey parallel columns)

- a document received at the beginning of the Council meeting

 

     A main concern voiced during the discussion was about the existing Sunday service. Council was reminded that it had agreed (in item 21 of the minutes) not to alter the format of the existing service. Some thought however that the rtf document and the handout seemed to turn the existing Sunday service into a “retro type” service which may seem to be off-putting for the congregation. For example the phrase “so as to connect with people of a more traditional church background” was thought to hold too much distinction of expectancy. Some of the congregation may indeed prefer the existing service without necessarily being from “a more traditional church background”. The Chaplain offered to re-word the documents, as the original intention had not been to change the style of the service but rather to present the existing service along side the suggestions for a second service.  The documents were intended to help see the implications of the second service. The existing service will not be altered, except perhaps on the long-term for the “family service”, (this was only a suggestion).

 

     Concerning the second Sunday service, Council was reminded that the original idea towards this project was based on feedback from the congregation. The 2SWG met together and brought forward some “food for thought” as to how to go about organising the second service for a 3 to 4 month trial period.  The question facing Council was “how do we proceed?”. At this point it seemed important to decide on the timing of the second service and how it could be fitted round the existing service.  One suggestion was to have the second service as a separate evening service for the 3-4 month trial period. Other suggestions are contained in the three documents. Council went on to decide that it was time for more feedback from the congregation concerning the issue.

 

     After further discussion as to how best approach the congregation, it was agreed that an informative document and a questionnaire be distributed among church members. The Council members would make themselves available to approach, inform and accompany people with their questions concerning the matter. The Council agreed to mandate Stephen to devise and distribute the appropriate documents to church members, (10 votes for, 0 votes against, 1 abstention).

 

     In any case nothing concerning the second service is to be decided until the next Council meeting in July, at the earliest.

 

34.

Defining a Procedure for reaching decisions on major investments

     Following the vote to purchase the Video-Projector it was felt necessary to propose a procedure to “avoid making rushed decisions in the future”.

     The following procedure was proposed and seconded: “Large items of expenditure on investments (over an amount to be decided on a yearly basis) MUST appear as a separate item on the agenda and MUST NOT be dealt with under AOB. Council MUST be provided with sufficient information well in advance so that they may ascertain the feelings of the congregation and to reach an informed and prayerfully considered decision. If this is not the case, the issue will be put off to a later meeting”. This point of procedure was voted on and accepted by the Council (11 votes for, 0 votes against, 0 abstentions).

     Theamount to be decided on a yearly basis” will be decided at our next meeting.

 

35.

Discussion of format & content of the church magazine, “St Marc's Matters”.

     This discussion was called for after the Church Magazine “St Marc’s Matters” was felt by some to be too dense. It appears that the original committee concerned with the magazine has “fallen to pieces” and that Alison has had to do most of the work alone. The Chaplain made a point of thanking Alison for all her hard work to which the Council agreed. Bravo Alison.

     However, It seems necessary to reinstitute some form of Editorial Committee so as to take the pressure off Alison and to allow some form of consensus as to the appearance and content of the magazine.

     Alison pointed out that her paging format was not far from what one may find in the secular press. She also underlined her difficulty in obtaining regular content. It seems people tend to contribute at the last minute which makes the publishing of the magazine a little hectic.

       Some Council members suggested spacing out the existing content in order to make the magazine more readable. The call was for more white spaces and size at the top of the page. The Council will see how they can address the subject of the Editorial Committee at a future meeting.

 

36.

Regularity of the Family meal – This item was cancelled “on the fly” as it seemed no longer relevant.

 

37.

www.grenoble-info.org

     Extract from Email: “Just a note regarding something Larry (mostly) and I (Craig, a little) have been working on.

One of the ideas we talked about on the weekend away was having an "info page" for newcomers to Grenoble.

The idea was that it be "sponsored, developed, supported, created" by St Marc's and out members but that it be independent of the church page.  Of course there will be clear links to find our church website, should someone want to find an English speaking church or learn more about our church.  However, it would be a community resource tool for anyone and everyone new to Grenoble or more experienced and wanting to share their wealth of knowledge with others.”

     The Council recognises the www.grenoble-info.org as being a great idea, and wishes to encourage Larry and Craig in its development as this represents a fair amount of work.

     Craig pointed out that any ideas or suggestions could be emailed directly to Larry or himself.

 

38.

Review of past & future events

     38a - Church Away Weekend evaluation and assessment

     This item was postponed until a later date.

 

39.

Church project(s) – nothing up for discussion

 

40.

Church Committees (Evangelism; Events; Music; Social/catering; Building; Finance)

Would you please volunteer for the committee you would prefer to join or create?

This item was not addressed at the meeting and is therefore postponed.

 

41.

Any other matters

     41a - Lyon Church Proposition

          Alison, Valerie & Alan suggested they may like to represent St Marc’s church at Lyon Church Weekend Away held on the 8th-10th October this year. Stephen will enquire further of the Lyon Chaplaincy about this matter.

 

     41b - Procedure - Publication of Church Council Minutes

          The Secretary asked for more precision as to the publication of the Church Council Minutes. The minutes should be proof read by the Chaplain. They shall then be published at first under the title “Draft Minutes of the Church Council Meeting” and be sent to all Council Members. The minutes should also be made available to all church members via the church notice board or by any other means. However only the minutes verified and accepted by the Church Council at the beginning of the following meeting shall be looked upon as the official Church Council Minutes. These too are made available to church members.

 

     41c - Subsidy for 05-06 May 2004 Youth Weekend Away

          The treasurer proposes to clear the bill for the Youth Weekend. The Council agreed unanimously (11 votes for 0 votes against, 0 abstentions).

 

42.

Closing Prayer

                The meeting closed at 22:20 in prayer

 

Accountability:

Chaplain

Seek feedback from church members concerning second service

Council Members

Approach members of the church concerning second service

Richard

Should approach J.Lenton about the church making a donation to the college.

 

Next Church Council Meeting:

Thursday 08 July 2004 20:00 at St Marc’s Church (red room)

Agenda Topics to be sent to Secretary.

 

 

 

Mark Lewis

Secretary for the Church Council

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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